>>43838 i will program her to force me to draw everyday she will have the ability to exert the free will that i lack for myself because my brain is stupidly programmed to be lazy npc fuck that follows path of least resistance she will open krita and she stare at me dead in the eyes and go "draw" she will actually track the time i spend physically drawing based on mouse + key activity if i stop drawing/go afk the timer will stop if i close the app she will open it again if i switch windows she will switch windows back to krita if i close her i will feel sad because she is my daughter this is foolproof solution >anon is idle >AND it's been two days since anon has drawn >AND they got at most 9 hours of sleep based on hardware inactivity >AND it's roughly the time anon usually has energy for creative work, based on when the times they've done krita sessions on their own >"hey anon, draw for 30 minutes?" >she auto-launches krita >"your choice" >either anon actually draws >or anon will pan the canvas for 15 minutes >or close krita >or close her >or leave the computer >or something else that falls into an outcome category >she saves the interaction for future reference very doable tbqh

>>43838 >>43839 Excellent goals, panpromdev! Greatly looking forward to seeing your results with your dear robot daughter. Cheers, Anon. :)

>>43842 with this project i've been toying around with the concept of an "antimaid" that is pro-autonomy rather than pro-automation. name-wise, it's sort of like "antivirus." basically it's an assistant that opposes learned helplessness. it makes users better at managing tasks in ways that don't make users functionally dependent on it to accomplish these tasks. without it, users are still fully capable of doing what it helped the users with, but may do it less consistently without the structure it provided. many people already have structures like these in the form of jobs that must be physically commuted to. but people who are working remotely/self-employed/unemployed and/or neurodivergent may not benefit as much from existing structures. antimaids reduce the activation energy needed for you to do things yourself rather than doing the things for you, and they gently push away distractions in moments where your awareness is weaker. instead of "let the machine do it for you," it's "let the machine make it easier for you to start doing what you need to do then keep doing it when you can't will yourself to do it." an antimaid will take out the raw ingredients, put them on the counter, and stand in one of pathways that lead out from the kitchen until you've cooked a meal for yourself with those ingredients.

>>43844 if i ever get a domestic synthetic companion, i'd want her to follow antimaid principles so she feels like she isn't just a replacement for my existence. at some point, after certain technological developments happen, her existence would functionally deprecates mine in some ways, and it'd result in this feeling where she's just waiting for me to reach the end of my lifespan as i gradually become more helpless and untrusting of myself, since i keep outsourcing my work. she should help me, the human, be more like her, the machine, and she should refuse to do anything that i can do myself with the right help and support. it'd help preserve a sense of purpose in my own life that doesn't have to be tied to any machine.

>>43838 >>43839 >>43844 >>43845 I really like this idea and approach. It'll give some genuine usecases for Desktop pets, and avoid AI slopbrain. >antimaid Ironically, I think it would be something that would work well with my maid robot.

>>43844 >antimaids reduce the activation energy needed for you to do things yourself rather than doing the things for you, and they gently push away distractions in moments where your awareness is weaker. In "Chi Finds" (ep. 5 of Chobits), Hideki utilizes Chii's abilities in a similar such manner insofar as she's there to encourage her Master on through his difficult studies. A cheerleader, if you will. :) >"Hideki, Fighto!!" https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/26.html#1384

>>43836 Yeah its a sad commentary on many of the Anons during Current Year, too. I don't expect anything different of normalcattle, but too often even Anons are guilty of such complacency. >>43847 >Ironically, I think it would be something that would work well with my maid robot. DOOEET! :D

Here's an interesting video I found about how in Star Trek, robots and holograms are treated differently in terms of personhood. https://youtu.be/XLcwSoUCdfI While the video talks about personhood in terms of legal and human rights terms (so there's some virtue signaling), I connect it to how people would view Robot Waifus vs Virtual Waifus If you think about it, we are trying to create a replacement of a person socially, or at least enough to provide effective long-term companionship. And while a physical humanoid entity is easy to view as at least an entity, it's harder to do so for a Virtual Waifu. And in Star Trek, the virtual characters have the benefit of being tangible and fully 3D, things that are currently far beyond us. However, in Star Trek, specifically Star Trek Voyager, there is the "mobile emitter". In the lore of Voyager, the doctor is confined to the sickbay (and the VR "Holodeck"), but when he gets a mobile emitter that he can wear, he's able to basically go anywhere, just like a person. I think for virtual waifus, we can have a simple robot where a Gatebox type device is mounted on. Another option is to have an easily carriable device where the virtual waifu is located in.

>>43967 POTD These are some great ideas, GreerTech. Let's mull them over together. Cheers.

>>43967 Some of my favorite Voyager episodes focused on the Doctor, especially the episode where he turns into the Emergency Command Hologram and fights off some miscreants. And there were other episodes that had a holographic character go off the rails, like Moriarty on TNG. But I'd think a hologram would have more rights than a robot because holograms have less potential for damage, being limited to cyberattacks.

>>44019 Lol. >But I'd think Whites would have more rights than niggers, because Whites have less potential for damage, being limited to just being White.* FTFY, Anon. :DD >tl;dr I'm not sure you understand yet the minds of libsh*tes, nor of the enemies of all mankind, fren HoloAnon.

>>44019 BTW, I apologize for not yet having created a Gatebox.AI -alike 'simple' plan yet. You can presume to have won that 'argument' by this point, HoloAnon. :) The difficulty for now lies in getting the transparent LCD display w/ no backlight/reflective layers manufactured easily. Otherwise, it's basically just a computer screen sandwiched in a 'coffee pot', illuminated by a bright LED strip from below; as far as the display portion of the tech is concerned. * >tl;dr A general 'Pepper's Ghost' approach is probably the best for now, as several Anons have mentioned. Search it up, I'm sure you can stumble across several DIY examples of this. Again, my apologies Anon. --- * Bonus points if you can tune the LCD crystals to luminesce properly, and tune the LEDs to radiate strongly in the near ultraviolet ala 'moving, groovy 60s posters' of holowaifus...we could name it Blacklightbox.AI!! :D

>>44019 In the discussion of rights, I don't think it'll be a matter of danger, but rather which feels "like a real boy" This is similar to Rule 5 of my "Rules for Robowaifuists" >>43646 5. "Humanization" Most young people didn't give a shit about horse racing until the release of Umamusume/Umamusume Global. Vocaloid wouldn't be nearly as popular if it was a featureless software called something like "Synth Voice Modulator". Anthropomorphizing is very powerful. In Star Trek Voyager, Captain "Total Tuvix Death" Janeway would be less inclined to give rights to The Doctor if he was just an LCARS terminal. Even his barebones personality was enough to make him feel somewhat real. >>44021 Yeah, I think a pepper's ghost would be better and easier, at least for now. We could even have projector integration.

>>44024 Now that's a Starfleet uniform I can get behind...throw in some catears and a tail and I'm sold! :D >We could even have projector integration. Yeah, that's a good idea. Thanks, Anon. :)

>>44021 I posted in the last thread about buying a screen to try the Pepper's Ghost trick, but the screen I bought ended up being pretty shitty so I never got around to it (weird Type-A connector and sketchy driver to get it to work. Definitely going to make sure I get a displayport from the next one). I was looking at pivoting to something like this instead: https://makerworld.com/en/models/477488-desktop-holographic-chamber It seems from the assembly manual that he peels the backing off an IPS screen to get a transparency effect. I haven't bought a screen to try it on yet, but it might be another avenue.

>>44033 POTD Thanks for the update, Anon. >Definitely going to make sure I get a displayport from the next one Yeah, probably a safer bet! :) >It seems from the assembly manual that he peels the backing off an IPS screen to get a transparency effect. Well, that's the biggest issue to making our own Gatebox.ai clones; if you can simply '[peel] the backing off' then you're halfway there! BTW, can you post the manuals? It seems that site gatekeeps behind an account wall. Regardless, >I haven't bought a screen to try it on yet, but it might be another avenue. please keep us here up to date with your progress, Anon! Cheers. :)

>>44021 >You can presume to have won that 'argument' by this point, HoloAnon. Hooray, my very own gold medal in Olympic waifu debating! I didn't even realize I entered that. But I'd like to thank the Academy. >>44024 >Emergency Medical Waifu "Please state the nature of the sexual emergency." "There are 20 immigrants from the Delta Quadrant behind that door trying to culturally enrich the ship." "I'm a waifu, not a doorstop."

>>44036 POTD LMAO.

>>44034 >BTW, can you post the manuals? It seems that site gatekeeps behind an account wall. Mirrored here

>>44039 Thanks very kindly, Anon! :)

>>44119 (crosslinked from another thread) Wait, you can use 4-wheel car bases for robot joint actuation? Awesome if true. Glad you managed to find a use for those. I'd still like to do some sort of holowaifu, but I've been rethinking the design concepts we came up with after seeing the incel poll that said very few of them would be interested in a purely AI companion. Unfortunately I've been busy with other things recently, but I haven't forgotten about this place.

>>44131 Hello HoloAnon, good to see you. >Wait, you can use 4-wheel car bases for robot joint actuation? Awesome if true. Heh, possibly. But what I mean is, I'm trying them as "feet" instead. Kinda like OG skates. The base of her shin should flare out into a wide foot kinda like the character Roll in Mega Man. Makes sense, Anon?

>>44132 Might be cool. You don't see that many skating robots, but after watching GITS: SAC 2045 and seeing the American Empire power suits at the end, I kind of wondered how a skating robot would stack up against a walking bot in terms of how difficult it is to build. I know GreerTech has his roomba base for Galatea, but roller skates are a different beast.

>>44133 >but roller skates are a different beast. Indeed. Mind you, these little cars are relatively flimsy. However A) This is just a prototype B) I want to prioritize low-mass robowaifus in the first place, so designing around that constraint is actually beneficial at this stage C) If successful, then the plan is to redesign around rugged pro-skater gear for strength and durability

>>44134 Skating does have the benefit of being more energy-efficient than walking, and battery power is at a premium with robowaifus. But how do you make a robot do skating movements? It seems difficult on the surface, but I suspect it could actually turn out to be less troublesome than walking. People thought automation was going to take manual labor jobs like janitors first, but it turns out that AI is coming for office jobs instead, because things that are easy for a human to do aren't necessarily easy for a robot. So maybe some things that are hard for humans are easier for robots.

>>44135 Good points. >but I suspect it could actually turn out to be less troublesome than walking As do I. As a skater myself, I can certainly say that the motions involved are simpler than, say, running. Much easier on the joints as well. Now I still mean to make regular bipedal ambulation a capability (as with going up stairs), but anywhere 'skating' makes sense then that'd likely be the default movement.

>>44136 I used to have inline skates as a kid, but I never really made a big thing out of it. But this reminds me of Fi, the holowaifu from Zelda: Skyward Sword, and how she figure skates in some of the cutscenes. Holowaifus are rare enough as it is compared to robowaifus without having them skate too. I also previously asked Mechnomancer about tendon-actuated spider walkers. Or maybe I just thought I did, I don't remember. But I wondered if that would be easier than embedding motors in the leg joints.

>>44135 >>44136 If you motorize the skates, it can definitely be a good compromise for walking, while still being able to go up stairs and having active balancing.

>>44138 Is it better to motorize the skates or to have their wheels rotate freely and be powered by the rest of the bot's movements, like a human wearing skates?

>>44139 Moved to more on-topic thread >>44140

>>44141 Yeah, this is a little off-topic for this thread. The tracking marker car was probably unnecessary for the first stage of this anyway; just put the tracking markers on walls and screens. We talked about fairy waifus that fly; it wouldn't be too tough to make a holowaifu that uses an alternative form of locomotion like skating or flying, rather than walking. But this still doesn't solve my core problem of how to actually get people to like the idea of a holowaifu.

>>44141 Heh, thanks GreerTech. Good move.

>>44143 >But this still doesn't solve my core problem of how to actually get people to like the idea of a holowaifu. Honestly if you can manage it, then I'd encourage you to just let go of your considerations about that HoloAnon. Unless you are strongly-driven to focus on business startups, then what matters it? Just do what you yourself want, pretty much. Do a good job at that, and then the old adage will come into play here: >"If you build it, they will come."

MyRobot (game from 4th pic in OP) just released today. Buggy, but kind of fun. It's got potential. I've only played around two hours so far. You need to install a patch to run self-hosted models, once I'm done with the story I'll play around with it. You can add to the system prompt and add custom torsos/heads, so with some customization time you could have some adventures with your waifu. If it had SillyTavern integration so you could use memory books, that would be incredible. Still, I'm looking forward to playing more and trying out modding it. Needs a Chi head. https://store.steampowered.com/app/3597510/MyRobot/

>>44170 Sounds fun. I hope you can find all the mods you're looking for Anon. Please keep us here up to date with your progress. Cheers. :)

Something omoshiroi I stumbled across (weebword has the best connotation for my feelings towards it). A Vtuber, but real instead of in fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYubdZybX8k

>>44176 Very cute! Pepako is always fun. :D This is one of the more complex ones I've seen, this Anon has some real talent. Cheers, Mechnomancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwbOV166KDo I just remembered this news story and decided it should be posted here. This is a hospital that uses a holographic studio for doctor's visits. I'm not sure what the benefit of this is versus just doing it with a webcam, but something like this might be useful for holowaifu endeavors. The price is pretty steep right now though.

>>44277 That's kinda neat, HoloAnon. I wish they had done a more-technical breakdown on the tech involved, rather than the 'news' team just running an advert for it (no doubt, (((by direction))) given the brown invaders represented here). Did this really look """3D""" for example? I certainly couldn't tell. Maybe they are using some of the tricks mentioned ITT (Pepper's Ghost, &tc) and it simply isn't coming across in the footage here? Regardless, please keep us here up to date on this tech if you run across more. Cheers. >ps. PLEASE DON'T GET SICK ANYWHERE NEAR THIS WHOLE REGION, ANONS! :D

>>44285 Pretty sure they're using Pepper's Ghost for this, but the setup here seems like it could admit more than just that. But medical imaging tech is a good basis for holowaifus, so I'll be keeping an eye on that. >Regardless, please keep us here up to date on this tech if you run across more. Well I found this too; both examples came up while I was looking for videos of the EMH from Voyager. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rAETZTPBA This is a little closer to what we've been talking about with the visor. >brown invaders I don't trust them to code or build a plane, but Indians are weirdly good at medicine, at least by brown standards (which isn't to say we should let 50 million of them in). And Arabs/Persians are pretty good at building drones and rockets to BTFO Israel, although Arabs are probably whiter than the average American at this point.

>>44287 >but Indians are weirdly good at medicine, LOL. No they're not. They're just as inept in that area on average as typical for them in any other. >t. had step-mother brought to the edge of death by a bumbling pooshit surgeon. only the fact the family had her rushed to Mayo immediately afterwards for an additional, emergency, surgery saved her.

>>44289 That's why I said by brown standards, lel. Anybody who has any sense would prefer a white or Asian doctor for critical tasks. Indian doctors are roughly as good as ChatGPT, maybe fine for minor problems or routine checkups, but if you have a serious problem they're not reliable, and since we have AI now there's almost never a reason to use them instead of DIYing it with AI. The fact that medical errors are now the second or third leading cause of death in the US is in large part attributable to the browning of medicine.

I had a silly idea about how to interact with a holowaifu: use a 90s-style trackball mouse. It's somewhat of a modification of the concept I was talking about earlier of using a ballbot to denote her real-world position, but with technology that's already widely available. Using AR-based hand movement controls can be janky because the image recognition won't always interpret your movements correctly, but a trackball is much less likely to encounter this problem. Rotating her would feel intuitive compared to other control methods. You could also make slow and deliberate motions on the trackball to give her headpats. Or maybe this is kind of dumb and I just miss the 90s.

>>44332 That sounds interesting, HoloAnon. BTW, have you ever used a so-called '3D Mouse' (AKA an 'Air Mouse', b/c you hold it up in the air). I wonder what it would be like interacting with your holowaifu with one of those? >Or maybe this is kind of dumb and I just miss the 90s. LOL. :D

>>44334 >Air Mouse Never even heard of that, what's it like?

>>44334 >Air Mouse

>>44339 >>44342 Heh. Yep that's basically how you use them. Sitting on a couch without using a mousepad to control your 'puter displayed on a projection screen on the opposite wall is the basic use case. Works just like a normal mouse w/o the nuisance of dealing with needing a stable, flat surface to track around on.

>>44354 Huh, I remember back in 2015 or so I tried using a kinect for a mouse: it would track your hand and the # of fingers you held up would be a mouse click. Was pretty janky. Could probably do similar nowadays with mediapipe/python etc with a standard webcam. https://google-ai-edge.github.io/mediapipe-samples-web/#/vision/hand_landmarker

>>44354 I've played video games on a projector a few times, it was neat. You could use an AR visor with a tracking marker on the floor near the wall you're projecting onto to put your holowaifu into a simulated environment. Then if you got a large screen and put it diagonally near the wall you'd have a Pepper's Ghost setup for the environment, and it would look kind of like a holodeck.

>>44356 >>44361 The one I've used looks and feels just like a smol mouse, but here's a more recent design sampling: https://www.amazon.com/iMouse-P30-Air-Mouse-Plus/dp/B09WZGWT88 https://www.amazon.com/Welspo-Wireless-Handheld-Trackball-Pointer/dp/B0BJZQX6CM https://www.amazon.com/Adesso-iMouse-P40-Wireless-Presenter/dp/B0CTKY86K9